Bon, ai fini l'arc d'introduction du Hell Train (chap 230) c'était bien sympa, surtout la fin avec tous les personnages et la hype qui monte

Par contre sur le site que j'utilise les chapitres s'arrêtent au 456 donc il doit en manquer 18 je crois, si vous avez un site où y a la suite je suis preneur svp (enfin, je pourrais totalement le trouver par moi même mais autant demander on sait jamais )

Le 18 avril 2020 à 13:37:46 Themousen a écrit :
Bon, ai fini l'arc d'introduction du Hell Train (chap 230) c'était bien sympa, surtout la fin avec tous les personnages et la hype qui monte

Par contre sur le site que j'utilise les chapitres s'arrêtent au 456 donc il doit en manquer 18 je crois, si vous avez un site où y a la suite je suis preneur svp (enfin, je pourrais totalement le trouver par moi même mais autant demander on sait jamais )

En anglais ?

Le 18 avril 2020 à 14:02:55 Zeus a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 13:37:46 Themousen a écrit :
Bon, ai fini l'arc d'introduction du Hell Train (chap 230) c'était bien sympa, surtout la fin avec tous les personnages et la hype qui monte

Par contre sur le site que j'utilise les chapitres s'arrêtent au 456 donc il doit en manquer 18 je crois, si vous avez un site où y a la suite je suis preneur svp (enfin, je pourrais totalement le trouver par moi même mais autant demander on sait jamais )

En anglais ?

Le site que j'utilise est déjà en anglais donc ça me pose pas de problèmes

Autant aller sur webtoon alors

Le 18 avril 2020 à 14:21:01 Themousen a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 14:02:55 Zeus a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 13:37:46 Themousen a écrit :
Bon, ai fini l'arc d'introduction du Hell Train (chap 230) c'était bien sympa, surtout la fin avec tous les personnages et la hype qui monte

Par contre sur le site que j'utilise les chapitres s'arrêtent au 456 donc il doit en manquer 18 je crois, si vous avez un site où y a la suite je suis preneur svp (enfin, je pourrais totalement le trouver par moi même mais autant demander on sait jamais )

En anglais ?

Le site que j'utilise est déjà en anglais donc ça me pose pas de problèmes

Pourquoi tu n'utilises pas le site officiel du coup ? Ça serait mieux pour l'auteur et ceux qui éditent ToG..

https://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/list?title_no=95

Selon vous, quel est le plus gros défaut de Tower of God ? Je trouve que c'est une œuvre remarquable mais depuis l'arc Hell Train j'ai comme ce sentiment que les "alliances" avec des êtres extraordinaires tombent toujours à pic pour venir en aide aux protagonistes. Il y a des trahisons, certes, mais je les trouve bien moins décisives, probantes que les alliances comparé au début du webtoon.

Plus on avance, plus j'ai cette impression que la liste des ennemis majeurs de Baam s'amenuise alors qu'on pourrait supposer l'inverse vu le nombre remarquable de personnages introduits à chaque arc.

C'est vraiment pour moi le gros défaut de ToG, qu'en pensez-vous ?

Le 18 avril 2020 à 16:02:02 Shabh a écrit :
Selon vous, quel est le plus gros défaut de Tower of God ? Je trouve que c'est une œuvre remarquable mais depuis l'arc Hell Train j'ai comme ce sentiment que les "alliances" avec des êtres extraordinaires tombent toujours à pic pour venir en aide aux protagonistes. Il y a des trahisons, certes, mais je les trouve bien moins décisives, probantes que les alliances comparé au début du webtoon.

Plus on avance, plus j'ai cette impression que la liste des ennemis majeurs de Baam s'amenuise alors qu'on pourrait supposer l'inverse vu le nombre remarquable de personnages introduits à chaque arc.

C'est vraiment pour moi le gros défaut de ToG, qu'en pensez-vous ?

Tu en es à quel chapitre dis moi ?

Le 18 avril 2020 à 16:09:35 NotSurprisedMF a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 16:02:02 Shabh a écrit :
Selon vous, quel est le plus gros défaut de Tower of God ? Je trouve que c'est une œuvre remarquable mais depuis l'arc Hell Train j'ai comme ce sentiment que les "alliances" avec des êtres extraordinaires tombent toujours à pic pour venir en aide aux protagonistes. Il y a des trahisons, certes, mais je les trouve bien moins décisives, probantes que les alliances comparé au début du webtoon.

Plus on avance, plus j'ai cette impression que la liste des ennemis majeurs de Baam s'amenuise alors qu'on pourrait supposer l'inverse vu le nombre remarquable de personnages introduits à chaque arc.

C'est vraiment pour moi le gros défaut de ToG, qu'en pensez-vous ?

Tu en es à quel chapitre dis moi ?

Chapitre 31 de la troisième partie

Le 18 avril 2020 à 15:25:27 NotSurprisedMF a écrit :
Autant aller sur webtoon alors

Le 18 avril 2020 à 15:31:02 Zeus a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 14:21:01 Themousen a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 14:02:55 Zeus a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 13:37:46 Themousen a écrit :
Bon, ai fini l'arc d'introduction du Hell Train (chap 230) c'était bien sympa, surtout la fin avec tous les personnages et la hype qui monte

Par contre sur le site que j'utilise les chapitres s'arrêtent au 456 donc il doit en manquer 18 je crois, si vous avez un site où y a la suite je suis preneur svp (enfin, je pourrais totalement le trouver par moi même mais autant demander on sait jamais )

En anglais ?

Le site que j'utilise est déjà en anglais donc ça me pose pas de problèmes

Pourquoi tu n'utilises pas le site officiel du coup ? Ça serait mieux pour l'auteur et ceux qui éditent ToG..

https://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/list?title_no=95

Merci je vais faire ça, c'est seulement le second webtoon que je lis donc je suis habitué à d'autres sites

Le plus gros défaut pour moi c'est le délire : y a un ennemi ovrrpower qui va détruire l'hero hop hop hop on va proposer une sorte de jeu de merde à l'ennemi et bien sur l'ennemi accepte et perds alors qu'il aurait pu 100 à 0 tout le monde en 2 secondes

Je veux bien quand c'est dans une épreuve etc mais en dehors c'est vraiment casse couilles. Que l'auteur arrête de mettre des mecs lvl 100 quand le MC est level 3..

Le 18 avril 2020 à 22:38:32 FeuilleAK47 a écrit :
Le plus gros défaut pour moi c'est le délire : y a un ennemi ovrrpower qui va détruire l'hero hop hop hop on va proposer une sorte de jeu de merde à l'ennemi et bien sur l'ennemi accepte et perds alors qu'il aurait pu 100 à 0 tout le monde en 2 secondes

Je veux bien quand c'est dans une épreuve etc mais en dehors c'est vraiment casse couilles. Que l'auteur arrête de mettre des mecs lvl 100 quand le MC est level 3..

Les paris via des jeux ou des épreuves c'est une des choses que j'apprécie le plus justement L’ascension de la tour se faisant via des épreuves et jeux en tous genres, c'est un peu la marque de fabrique et une coutume dans la tour. Un Ranker qui refuse un pari équitable à des Réguliers ça salirait un peu l'image de ce dernier je pense

Mais je te rejoins dans le sens où il ne faut pas en abuser

Spoiler dernier chap en coréen: SpoilAfficherMasquer Ce début putain
White
Pour ceux qui veulent voici la trad en anglais (dispo sur un discord anglophone TOG):
<spoil>Baam: Mr. White, how?
Kallavan: His appearance hasn't changed much, but the power I sense has indeed changed radically.
Maschenny: Isn't this an unpredicted variable, 4th Corps commander? The self-proclaimed "Slayer White" has found his old powers.
52F VS Kallavan 03
Yulker: (Seeing Lord Kallavan like this...) I dropped my Division command seat for Lord Kallavan to come down to a platoon level (I can't stand his smug face!)
Kallavan: Stop Platoon Leader Yulker!
White: What naughty hands you have.. I fixed that for you. Be thankful. (intermittant Yulker screamy noises) When the name of His Majesty was known throughout the Tower, those who worshipped before yours truly had made idols of His Majesty and put blood by their eyes. For a time, it trended as a symbol of those who rebelled against the Tower. You probably don't now, but judging from you bearing the mark, you seem to be descended from a fringe branch of one of them. Your soul, how cute. Of course, yours truly too is only a soul amongst the ranks of this Tower's 'gods'. Don't punish yourself too hard for it.
Cha: What's with this guy? His mood completely shifted?!
Karaka: You've been out of commission for a while so you may not know, but he at one point was a Slayer whose infamy was Tower-wide. I don't know how, but he seemed to have gotten his powers back. I just hope his sword isn't going to be pointed at us...
White: (His Majesty is back to his full power, but he still requires something. Among those here, the most tantalizing soul would be the one of none other than that one. If I consume him, there would be incredible powers to be had. But patience is a virtue. There's much hopes on him yet.) Then shall we begin? But first. Unseal your other arm. It would be a disgrace even if His Majesty won against you when you are down a hand.
Kallavan: I refuse.
[White Style Arie Swordsmanship - Fatality: Seven Spectreal Blades]
So if you imagine this battle to be like our last one, it would be a big mistake Kallavan.
Kallavan: It would seem so. (Although it's not like the flashy but desparate blade time, each cut speedily and deeply digs into me. This won't be easy.
[Null Essence]
[White Style Swordsmandship - Fatality: Demonslayer - Eight Strikes Massacre (鎭靈八擊殲)
Baam: Incredible! He's fighting on par with, no absolutely dominating Kallavan, at least while he is one-armed.
White: Should His Majesty teach you?
Baam: (He looked at me?)
White: (How to set ablaze the power of the soul? For you are ready.) Now His Majesty speaks again: Undo that burdensome seal.
Kallavan: I would like to, but this is my punishment as Lord Zahard sees fit. I have sworn not to take it off until ordered to. I will battle you with one arm.
White: And you continue your disrespect. What a downer.
Khun: White!! What are you doing?!
White: What is it Khun?
Khun: Finish him now! Now's the perfect chance with him being down an arm!
White: You got a point there, but now that His Majesty has returned in full glory, he would like to fight Kallavan.
Khun: What? Since when were you so noble?
White: Stay thy place. A soul of those killed while not doing their best is tasteless. And His Majesty must display the power of souls set ablaze. (Got a feeling it'll come in handy soon)
Khun: What? What's he going to show off? What's he plotting?
Maschenny: The Branch Heads you dispatched were lost, and White has regained his power. Are you going to just sit there 4th Corps Commander? Or do you have an ace up your sleeve?
Lyboric: Princess, it seems that you have misunderstood the plan when I first explained it. I believe I spoke clearly, in that this is a battle of attrition.
Yasracia: You... what are you-
Lyboric: Now, I will be using the flagship of the 4th Corps as a self-destructing bomb.
Yasracia: (What?!)
Yama: That's odd. I don't see their flagship any more, where'd it go?
[Inside 4th Army Corps Flag Ship, Engine Room]
Lyboric: Company Commander Kallavan.
Kallavan: Yes sir?
Lyboric: Hard at work, I see? The officers are deeply moved by you fighting on the front lines, leading by example. I too am examining the battlefield and giving out the orders for the best move to our Corps. As such, I have a favor to ask of you.
Kallavan: A favor? What do you mean, sir?
Lyboric: Our flagship is stealthily moving towards the Cage. I plan to have the flagship approach the Cage as closely as possible, then have it explode, taking out the Cage with the Flagship.
Kallavan: Sir, if you do so, our troops between the walls are likely to get massacred too.
Lyboric: That is a sacrifice I am willing to make. They have a reason for bringing the rather slow-moving Cage here. They must plan to do something with it. I want to explode the Cage before that to stop that, but Yama will not make it easy. The 4th Army Corps is using a strong Shinsoo-combustion engine, and if that engine explodes, it will most likely create an unimaginable amount of destructive power. if we blew the engine while it was close to the Cage, nobody would be able to stop it.
Lyboric: Of course, our troops would be almost wiped out with the Cage, but don't worry about that. We already have a new 4th Army Corps on the other side of the walls. They are more powerful than our current 4th Army Corps. Central Command has already approved their commission. They will be the future of the 4th Corps. If you cooperate with this plan, then in accordance with Zahard's orders, I will authorize the release of your arm. You were the last Corps Commander, so the troops will trust you. Do your best to make sure this operation is a success, stop the rankers there, and lull our Corps to the best of your ability. Will you follow my orders?
Kallavan: (Were we set up from the beginning?) ... Understood sir. It is my duty to obey orders as a soldier. I will do everything in my power to make the mission a success.
Lyboric: Thank you.
Kallavan: However. If the operation fails and the soldiers end up dying for nothing, you will need to take responsibility.
Lyboric: Responsibility?
Kallavan: Yes. A lot of soldiers will die. Please take responsibility as the commander. With your life!
Baam/White/Dowon: He released the seal!
Lyboric: Well then. If the operation fails, you may come to kill me for the seat of Army Corps Commander, Company Commander Kallavan. But before you get yourself caught up, do your duty as a company commander to make the mission a success.
Kallavan: Understood, sir.
White: So only now you feel like going full power? His Majesty will match your spirit. This is His Majesty's hardest sword, Cullinan. Hey Slayer candidate. Watch and learn. Observe, as His Majesty sets ablaze the power of the souls. You'll need it soon enough.
Kallavan: Yulker, stop to the best of your ability all that try to approach the walls. There won't be anything you can do in my battle against him.
Elpathion: So you've made up your mind?
Kallavan: Yes. We're joining the Royal Zahard Army. I realized the moment I saw him yesterday. he is truly the one who will fulfill my will. There still remains a test, but I can pass it.
Elpathion: That's a relief, Lord Kallavan. I was thinking if I had made a pointless suggestion.
Kallavan: But if we enlist, we will not be as free as we are now. We won't be able to move around freely, and we'll be always in uniform. I am not sure if everyone will be able to make the transition.
Elpathion: As long as you are with us, we will be fine. We were all your subordinates hand picked by you. Your will to gather everyone under a strong singular power to stop all war and conflict. Of course, there aren't too many of us who actually understand your will, but everyone still stays by your side, Lord Kallavan. Some of us are enamored by your power, others by your intellect or character, or some say "just because". You are a frightening master, but yet, everyone likes here here, Lord Evankhell. If you say we are joining the Royal Zahard Army, we shall. If you tell us to die, we shall. And if you tell us to live, we shall. Just give us the order. We will always be your faithful servants, Lord Kallavan.
Kallavan: This fight. This fight is for my Army Corps
</spoil>

Le 19 avril 2020 à 22:26:05 FrenchReveur a écrit :
Spoiler dernier chap en coréen: SpoilAfficherMasquer Ce début putain
White
Pour ceux qui veulent voici la trad en anglais (dispo sur un discord anglophone TOG):
<spoil>Baam: Mr. White, how?
Kallavan: His appearance hasn't changed much, but the power I sense has indeed changed radically.
Maschenny: Isn't this an unpredicted variable, 4th Corps commander? The self-proclaimed "Slayer White" has found his old powers.
52F VS Kallavan 03
Yulker: (Seeing Lord Kallavan like this...) I dropped my Division command seat for Lord Kallavan to come down to a platoon level (I can't stand his smug face!)
Kallavan: Stop Platoon Leader Yulker!
White: What naughty hands you have.. I fixed that for you. Be thankful. (intermittant Yulker screamy noises) When the name of His Majesty was known throughout the Tower, those who worshipped before yours truly had made idols of His Majesty and put blood by their eyes. For a time, it trended as a symbol of those who rebelled against the Tower. You probably don't now, but judging from you bearing the mark, you seem to be descended from a fringe branch of one of them. Your soul, how cute. Of course, yours truly too is only a soul amongst the ranks of this Tower's 'gods'. Don't punish yourself too hard for it.
Cha: What's with this guy? His mood completely shifted?!
Karaka: You've been out of commission for a while so you may not know, but he at one point was a Slayer whose infamy was Tower-wide. I don't know how, but he seemed to have gotten his powers back. I just hope his sword isn't going to be pointed at us...
White: (His Majesty is back to his full power, but he still requires something. Among those here, the most tantalizing soul would be the one of none other than that one. If I consume him, there would be incredible powers to be had. But patience is a virtue. There's much hopes on him yet.) Then shall we begin? But first. Unseal your other arm. It would be a disgrace even if His Majesty won against you when you are down a hand.
Kallavan: I refuse.
[White Style Arie Swordsmanship - Fatality: Seven Spectreal Blades]
So if you imagine this battle to be like our last one, it would be a big mistake Kallavan.
Kallavan: It would seem so. (Although it's not like the flashy but desparate blade time, each cut speedily and deeply digs into me. This won't be easy.
[Null Essence]
[White Style Swordsmandship - Fatality: Demonslayer - Eight Strikes Massacre (鎭靈八擊殲)
Baam: Incredible! He's fighting on par with, no absolutely dominating Kallavan, at least while he is one-armed.
White: Should His Majesty teach you?
Baam: (He looked at me?)
White: (How to set ablaze the power of the soul? For you are ready.) Now His Majesty speaks again: Undo that burdensome seal.
Kallavan: I would like to, but this is my punishment as Lord Zahard sees fit. I have sworn not to take it off until ordered to. I will battle you with one arm.
White: And you continue your disrespect. What a downer.
Khun: White!! What are you doing?!
White: What is it Khun?
Khun: Finish him now! Now's the perfect chance with him being down an arm!
White: You got a point there, but now that His Majesty has returned in full glory, he would like to fight Kallavan.
Khun: What? Since when were you so noble?
White: Stay thy place. A soul of those killed while not doing their best is tasteless. And His Majesty must display the power of souls set ablaze. (Got a feeling it'll come in handy soon)
Khun: What? What's he going to show off? What's he plotting?
Maschenny: The Branch Heads you dispatched were lost, and White has regained his power. Are you going to just sit there 4th Corps Commander? Or do you have an ace up your sleeve?
Lyboric: Princess, it seems that you have misunderstood the plan when I first explained it. I believe I spoke clearly, in that this is a battle of attrition.
Yasracia: You... what are you-
Lyboric: Now, I will be using the flagship of the 4th Corps as a self-destructing bomb.
Yasracia: (What?!)
Yama: That's odd. I don't see their flagship any more, where'd it go?
[Inside 4th Army Corps Flag Ship, Engine Room]
Lyboric: Company Commander Kallavan.
Kallavan: Yes sir?
Lyboric: Hard at work, I see? The officers are deeply moved by you fighting on the front lines, leading by example. I too am examining the battlefield and giving out the orders for the best move to our Corps. As such, I have a favor to ask of you.
Kallavan: A favor? What do you mean, sir?
Lyboric: Our flagship is stealthily moving towards the Cage. I plan to have the flagship approach the Cage as closely as possible, then have it explode, taking out the Cage with the Flagship.
Kallavan: Sir, if you do so, our troops between the walls are likely to get massacred too.
Lyboric: That is a sacrifice I am willing to make. They have a reason for bringing the rather slow-moving Cage here. They must plan to do something with it. I want to explode the Cage before that to stop that, but Yama will not make it easy. The 4th Army Corps is using a strong Shinsoo-combustion engine, and if that engine explodes, it will most likely create an unimaginable amount of destructive power. if we blew the engine while it was close to the Cage, nobody would be able to stop it.
Lyboric: Of course, our troops would be almost wiped out with the Cage, but don't worry about that. We already have a new 4th Army Corps on the other side of the walls. They are more powerful than our current 4th Army Corps. Central Command has already approved their commission. They will be the future of the 4th Corps. If you cooperate with this plan, then in accordance with Zahard's orders, I will authorize the release of your arm. You were the last Corps Commander, so the troops will trust you. Do your best to make sure this operation is a success, stop the rankers there, and lull our Corps to the best of your ability. Will you follow my orders?
Kallavan: (Were we set up from the beginning?) ... Understood sir. It is my duty to obey orders as a soldier. I will do everything in my power to make the mission a success.
Lyboric: Thank you.
Kallavan: However. If the operation fails and the soldiers end up dying for nothing, you will need to take responsibility.
Lyboric: Responsibility?
Kallavan: Yes. A lot of soldiers will die. Please take responsibility as the commander. With your life!
Baam/White/Dowon: He released the seal!
Lyboric: Well then. If the operation fails, you may come to kill me for the seat of Army Corps Commander, Company Commander Kallavan. But before you get yourself caught up, do your duty as a company commander to make the mission a success.
Kallavan: Understood, sir.
White: So only now you feel like going full power? His Majesty will match your spirit. This is His Majesty's hardest sword, Cullinan. Hey Slayer candidate. Watch and learn. Observe, as His Majesty sets ablaze the power of the souls. You'll need it soon enough.
Kallavan: Yulker, stop to the best of your ability all that try to approach the walls. There won't be anything you can do in my battle against him.
Elpathion: So you've made up your mind?
Kallavan: Yes. We're joining the Royal Zahard Army. I realized the moment I saw him yesterday. he is truly the one who will fulfill my will. There still remains a test, but I can pass it.
Elpathion: That's a relief, Lord Kallavan. I was thinking if I had made a pointless suggestion.
Kallavan: But if we enlist, we will not be as free as we are now. We won't be able to move around freely, and we'll be always in uniform. I am not sure if everyone will be able to make the transition.
Elpathion: As long as you are with us, we will be fine. We were all your subordinates hand picked by you. Your will to gather everyone under a strong singular power to stop all war and conflict. Of course, there aren't too many of us who actually understand your will, but everyone still stays by your side, Lord Kallavan. Some of us are enamored by your power, others by your intellect or character, or some say "just because". You are a frightening master, but yet, everyone likes here here, Lord Evankhell. If you say we are joining the Royal Zahard Army, we shall. If you tell us to die, we shall. And if you tell us to live, we shall. Just give us the order. We will always be your faithful servants, Lord Kallavan.
Kallavan: This fight. This fight is for my Army Corps
</spoil>

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Le 19 avril 2020 à 22:26:05 FrenchReveur a écrit :
Spoiler dernier chap en coréen: SpoilAfficherMasquer Ce début putain
White
Pour ceux qui veulent voici la trad en anglais (dispo sur un discord anglophone TOG):
<spoil>Baam: Mr. White, how?
Kallavan: His appearance hasn't changed much, but the power I sense has indeed changed radically.
Maschenny: Isn't this an unpredicted variable, 4th Corps commander? The self-proclaimed "Slayer White" has found his old powers.
52F VS Kallavan 03
Yulker: (Seeing Lord Kallavan like this...) I dropped my Division command seat for Lord Kallavan to come down to a platoon level (I can't stand his smug face!)
Kallavan: Stop Platoon Leader Yulker!
White: What naughty hands you have.. I fixed that for you. Be thankful. (intermittant Yulker screamy noises) When the name of His Majesty was known throughout the Tower, those who worshipped before yours truly had made idols of His Majesty and put blood by their eyes. For a time, it trended as a symbol of those who rebelled against the Tower. You probably don't now, but judging from you bearing the mark, you seem to be descended from a fringe branch of one of them. Your soul, how cute. Of course, yours truly too is only a soul amongst the ranks of this Tower's 'gods'. Don't punish yourself too hard for it.
Cha: What's with this guy? His mood completely shifted?!
Karaka: You've been out of commission for a while so you may not know, but he at one point was a Slayer whose infamy was Tower-wide. I don't know how, but he seemed to have gotten his powers back. I just hope his sword isn't going to be pointed at us...
White: (His Majesty is back to his full power, but he still requires something. Among those here, the most tantalizing soul would be the one of none other than that one. If I consume him, there would be incredible powers to be had. But patience is a virtue. There's much hopes on him yet.) Then shall we begin? But first. Unseal your other arm. It would be a disgrace even if His Majesty won against you when you are down a hand.
Kallavan: I refuse.
[White Style Arie Swordsmanship - Fatality: Seven Spectreal Blades]
So if you imagine this battle to be like our last one, it would be a big mistake Kallavan.
Kallavan: It would seem so. (Although it's not like the flashy but desparate blade time, each cut speedily and deeply digs into me. This won't be easy.
[Null Essence]
[White Style Swordsmandship - Fatality: Demonslayer - Eight Strikes Massacre (鎭靈八擊殲)
Baam: Incredible! He's fighting on par with, no absolutely dominating Kallavan, at least while he is one-armed.
White: Should His Majesty teach you?
Baam: (He looked at me?)
White: (How to set ablaze the power of the soul? For you are ready.) Now His Majesty speaks again: Undo that burdensome seal.
Kallavan: I would like to, but this is my punishment as Lord Zahard sees fit. I have sworn not to take it off until ordered to. I will battle you with one arm.
White: And you continue your disrespect. What a downer.
Khun: White!! What are you doing?!
White: What is it Khun?
Khun: Finish him now! Now's the perfect chance with him being down an arm!
White: You got a point there, but now that His Majesty has returned in full glory, he would like to fight Kallavan.
Khun: What? Since when were you so noble?
White: Stay thy place. A soul of those killed while not doing their best is tasteless. And His Majesty must display the power of souls set ablaze. (Got a feeling it'll come in handy soon)
Khun: What? What's he going to show off? What's he plotting?
Maschenny: The Branch Heads you dispatched were lost, and White has regained his power. Are you going to just sit there 4th Corps Commander? Or do you have an ace up your sleeve?
Lyboric: Princess, it seems that you have misunderstood the plan when I first explained it. I believe I spoke clearly, in that this is a battle of attrition.
Yasracia: You... what are you-
Lyboric: Now, I will be using the flagship of the 4th Corps as a self-destructing bomb.
Yasracia: (What?!)
Yama: That's odd. I don't see their flagship any more, where'd it go?
[Inside 4th Army Corps Flag Ship, Engine Room]
Lyboric: Company Commander Kallavan.
Kallavan: Yes sir?
Lyboric: Hard at work, I see? The officers are deeply moved by you fighting on the front lines, leading by example. I too am examining the battlefield and giving out the orders for the best move to our Corps. As such, I have a favor to ask of you.
Kallavan: A favor? What do you mean, sir?
Lyboric: Our flagship is stealthily moving towards the Cage. I plan to have the flagship approach the Cage as closely as possible, then have it explode, taking out the Cage with the Flagship.
Kallavan: Sir, if you do so, our troops between the walls are likely to get massacred too.
Lyboric: That is a sacrifice I am willing to make. They have a reason for bringing the rather slow-moving Cage here. They must plan to do something with it. I want to explode the Cage before that to stop that, but Yama will not make it easy. The 4th Army Corps is using a strong Shinsoo-combustion engine, and if that engine explodes, it will most likely create an unimaginable amount of destructive power. if we blew the engine while it was close to the Cage, nobody would be able to stop it.
Lyboric: Of course, our troops would be almost wiped out with the Cage, but don't worry about that. We already have a new 4th Army Corps on the other side of the walls. They are more powerful than our current 4th Army Corps. Central Command has already approved their commission. They will be the future of the 4th Corps. If you cooperate with this plan, then in accordance with Zahard's orders, I will authorize the release of your arm. You were the last Corps Commander, so the troops will trust you. Do your best to make sure this operation is a success, stop the rankers there, and lull our Corps to the best of your ability. Will you follow my orders?
Kallavan: (Were we set up from the beginning?) ... Understood sir. It is my duty to obey orders as a soldier. I will do everything in my power to make the mission a success.
Lyboric: Thank you.
Kallavan: However. If the operation fails and the soldiers end up dying for nothing, you will need to take responsibility.
Lyboric: Responsibility?
Kallavan: Yes. A lot of soldiers will die. Please take responsibility as the commander. With your life!
Baam/White/Dowon: He released the seal!
Lyboric: Well then. If the operation fails, you may come to kill me for the seat of Army Corps Commander, Company Commander Kallavan. But before you get yourself caught up, do your duty as a company commander to make the mission a success.
Kallavan: Understood, sir.
White: So only now you feel like going full power? His Majesty will match your spirit. This is His Majesty's hardest sword, Cullinan. Hey Slayer candidate. Watch and learn. Observe, as His Majesty sets ablaze the power of the souls. You'll need it soon enough.
Kallavan: Yulker, stop to the best of your ability all that try to approach the walls. There won't be anything you can do in my battle against him.
Elpathion: So you've made up your mind?
Kallavan: Yes. We're joining the Royal Zahard Army. I realized the moment I saw him yesterday. he is truly the one who will fulfill my will. There still remains a test, but I can pass it.
Elpathion: That's a relief, Lord Kallavan. I was thinking if I had made a pointless suggestion.
Kallavan: But if we enlist, we will not be as free as we are now. We won't be able to move around freely, and we'll be always in uniform. I am not sure if everyone will be able to make the transition.
Elpathion: As long as you are with us, we will be fine. We were all your subordinates hand picked by you. Your will to gather everyone under a strong singular power to stop all war and conflict. Of course, there aren't too many of us who actually understand your will, but everyone still stays by your side, Lord Kallavan. Some of us are enamored by your power, others by your intellect or character, or some say "just because". You are a frightening master, but yet, everyone likes here here, Lord Evankhell. If you say we are joining the Royal Zahard Army, we shall. If you tell us to die, we shall. And if you tell us to live, we shall. Just give us the order. We will always be your faithful servants, Lord Kallavan.
Kallavan: This fight. This fight is for my Army Corps
</spoil>

C'est carrément fucked up comme situation SpoilAfficherMasquerBordel Lyborick qui veut sacrifier le 4e corps d'armée depuis LE DEBUT, j'imagine que c'est en represaille de l'échec de Kallavan et de son escadron à la derniere station. En parallèle, on apprend qu'un nouveau 4e corps d'armée a été crée en secret, et que celui ci est encore plus puissant que l'ancien, et se trouve lui aussi derrière les murs, bordel c'est encore plus chaud qu'on croyait.
Kallavan qui enlève son sceau, il va se battre désormais à pleine puissance contre White, j'espère qu'il ne mourra pas je l'aime beaucoup comme personnage

Le 18 avril 2020 à 16:02:02 Shabh a écrit :
Selon vous, quel est le plus gros défaut de Tower of God ? Je trouve que c'est une œuvre remarquable mais depuis l'arc Hell Train j'ai comme ce sentiment que les "alliances" avec des êtres extraordinaires tombent toujours à pic pour venir en aide aux protagonistes. Il y a des trahisons, certes, mais je les trouve bien moins décisives, probantes que les alliances comparé au début du webtoon.

Plus on avance, plus j'ai cette impression que la liste des ennemis majeurs de Baam s'amenuise alors qu'on pourrait supposer l'inverse vu le nombre remarquable de personnages introduits à chaque arc.

C'est vraiment pour moi le gros défaut de ToG, qu'en pensez-vous ?

Moi j'aimerais que l'auteur s'attarde un peu plus sur les persos secondaires. J'aimerais bien voir Rak avoir de vrais feat, ou Hatz et Isu etc
On a l'impression qu'ils montent les étages mais sans plus. Il devient quoi le mec qui fait que dormir au fait?

Le 20 avril 2020 à 11:01:49 RipperCyclotron a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 16:02:02 Shabh a écrit :
Selon vous, quel est le plus gros défaut de Tower of God ? Je trouve que c'est une œuvre remarquable mais depuis l'arc Hell Train j'ai comme ce sentiment que les "alliances" avec des êtres extraordinaires tombent toujours à pic pour venir en aide aux protagonistes. Il y a des trahisons, certes, mais je les trouve bien moins décisives, probantes que les alliances comparé au début du webtoon.

Plus on avance, plus j'ai cette impression que la liste des ennemis majeurs de Baam s'amenuise alors qu'on pourrait supposer l'inverse vu le nombre remarquable de personnages introduits à chaque arc.

C'est vraiment pour moi le gros défaut de ToG, qu'en pensez-vous ?

Moi j'aimerais que l'auteur s'attarde un peu plus sur les persos secondaires. J'aimerais bien voir Rak avoir de vrais feat, ou Hatz et Isu etc
On a l'impression qu'ils montent les étages mais sans plus. Il devient quoi le mec qui fait que dormir au fait?

Laure, on le voit au premier chapitre de la Partie 3. Il est vu dans l'équipe de Leesoo avant que ces derniers partent en compagnie de Evan pour aider Khun, mais va savoir pourquoi il les accompagne pas finalement...
Ouais plus on avance, plus les incidents prennent de l'ampleur et impliquent des Rankers de plus en plus puissants, rendant les Réguliers totalement inutiles.
Quand ils ont confié à Leesoo la tâche de garder le vaisseau j'étais juste trop deg

Le 18 avril 2020 à 16:09:35 NotSurprisedMF a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 16:02:02 Shabh a écrit :
Selon vous, quel est le plus gros défaut de Tower of God ? Je trouve que c'est une œuvre remarquable mais depuis l'arc Hell Train j'ai comme ce sentiment que les "alliances" avec des êtres extraordinaires tombent toujours à pic pour venir en aide aux protagonistes. Il y a des trahisons, certes, mais je les trouve bien moins décisives, probantes que les alliances comparé au début du webtoon.

Plus on avance, plus j'ai cette impression que la liste des ennemis majeurs de Baam s'amenuise alors qu'on pourrait supposer l'inverse vu le nombre remarquable de personnages introduits à chaque arc.

C'est vraiment pour moi le gros défaut de ToG, qu'en pensez-vous ?

Tu en es à quel chapitre dis moi ?

Du coup où est-ce que tu voulais en venir avec ta question ?

Le 20 avril 2020 à 18:32:25 Shabh a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 16:09:35 NotSurprisedMF a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 16:02:02 Shabh a écrit :
Selon vous, quel est le plus gros défaut de Tower of God ? Je trouve que c'est une œuvre remarquable mais depuis l'arc Hell Train j'ai comme ce sentiment que les "alliances" avec des êtres extraordinaires tombent toujours à pic pour venir en aide aux protagonistes. Il y a des trahisons, certes, mais je les trouve bien moins décisives, probantes que les alliances comparé au début du webtoon.

Plus on avance, plus j'ai cette impression que la liste des ennemis majeurs de Baam s'amenuise alors qu'on pourrait supposer l'inverse vu le nombre remarquable de personnages introduits à chaque arc.

C'est vraiment pour moi le gros défaut de ToG, qu'en pensez-vous ?

Tu en es à quel chapitre dis moi ?

Du coup où est-ce que tu voulais en venir avec ta question ?

Je pense que là on en est dans l'histoire, justement le nombre d'ennemis s'est largement multiplié depuis la fin de SpoilAfficherMasquerl'étage caché et les trois ordres donnés par Zahard
Les nouveaux amis de Baam ne sont pas de trop et sont largement le bienvenue lorsqu'on voit les défis qu'il va devoir affronter

Le 20 avril 2020 à 18:34:31 NotSurprisedMF a écrit :

Le 20 avril 2020 à 18:32:25 Shabh a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 16:09:35 NotSurprisedMF a écrit :

Le 18 avril 2020 à 16:02:02 Shabh a écrit :
Selon vous, quel est le plus gros défaut de Tower of God ? Je trouve que c'est une œuvre remarquable mais depuis l'arc Hell Train j'ai comme ce sentiment que les "alliances" avec des êtres extraordinaires tombent toujours à pic pour venir en aide aux protagonistes. Il y a des trahisons, certes, mais je les trouve bien moins décisives, probantes que les alliances comparé au début du webtoon.

Plus on avance, plus j'ai cette impression que la liste des ennemis majeurs de Baam s'amenuise alors qu'on pourrait supposer l'inverse vu le nombre remarquable de personnages introduits à chaque arc.

C'est vraiment pour moi le gros défaut de ToG, qu'en pensez-vous ?

Tu en es à quel chapitre dis moi ?

Du coup où est-ce que tu voulais en venir avec ta question ?

Je pense que là on en est dans l'histoire, justement le nombre d'ennemis s'est largement multiplié depuis la fin de SpoilAfficherMasquerl'étage caché et les trois ordres donnés par Zahard
Les nouveaux amis de Baam ne sont pas de trop et sont largement le bienvenue lorsqu'on voit les défis qu'il va devoir affronter

Je suis carrément d'accord dans le sens où sans ses nouveaux "amis" Baam serait dans une énorme galère, mais le fait que ces derniers étaient il y a peu de gros ennemis, ça me dérange car c'est soit blanc soit noir. On passe de suite de ennemis à alliés sans réelle phase intermédiaire (sauf peut-être pourSpoilAfficherMasquer White ). Un peu plus de profondeur de ce côté là ne serait pas de trop je pense.

Un exemple : SpoilAfficherMasquerYu Han Sung. Baam le considère comme un ennemi jusqu'à ce qu'il rencontre le Yu Han Sung data. Tout d'abord, lui et Androssi doutent de lui, mais quand ils se rendent compte qu'il leur vient vraiment en aide, ils lui font en confiance (et il va s'avérer être un personnage important et vraiment cool (du moins pour ma part) de l'arc Hidden Floor).
Je trouvais ça ingénieux de faire de Yu Han Sung data un réel allié alors que le vrai Yu Han Sung a représenté une menace pour Baam.
Sauf qu'une fois retourné dans le monde réel, on a l'apparition de Evankhell qui vient en aide à Baam & co, happant Yu Han Sung dans cette intervention. Et pourtant, malgré l'aide qu'il a fourni à la dernière station bah je trouve que son intégration aux côtés de Baam me dérange. On a pas de réelles confrontations avec ce qu'il a pu faire. Et pourtant, dans un des fb de Baam on constate qu'entre la partie 2 et 3 durant son entraînement bah il était présent et lui a administré des conseils.
J'ai l'impression de retrouver le Yu Han Sung data et non celui qu'on a connu au début de l'œuvre.

C'est peut-être confus par moment mais j'espère que vous captez ce que je veux dire

Concernant Hansung SpoilAfficherMasquerBaam ne l'aimait pas à cause du fait que ce dernier se servait de ses amis, en tant qu'hotages, pour pouvoir servir FUG, mais sinon je l'ai jamais considéré comme un "ennemi", il a jamais tenté de tuer Baam par exemple, contrairement à Karaka