| SirAlexKnows  -  aujourd’hui à 16:54
| C'est vrai qu'on est mal placé pour parler de victoire facile. Mais bon demain je sens la victoire, Sunderland est dans la zone rouge, vient de perdre son entraîneur en plus.

Ne vend pas la peau de l'ours avant de l'avoir tuer

Ce Man U la on dirait celui de 2010-2011

2011 on sera champion alors.

Tu veux pas dégager du topic ?

et on va en finale de ldc

T'avais misé sur quoi Luis ?

| Bekhti  -  aujourd’hui à 16:58
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| 2011 on sera champion alors.
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| Tu veux pas dégager du topic ?

Tu vois pas l'ironie ou quoi??? ca se voit que tu me connais pas je respecte tout le monde sur le FF sauf les gros trolls

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| amShot - aujourd’hui à 15:08
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| Il y a une possibilité de gagner 15 points facilement prochainement, demain Sunderland, après 4 matches à Old Trafford, 2 En BPL, 1 en Cup, et le dernier en CL, c'est le timing parfait pour se relancer, c'est le moment ou jamais.

Facile avec le jeu que vous avez

"Le jeu que vous avez" Dis moi, tu connais quoi de United? Car lorsque tu parles de jeu, celui que nous avions avec Fergie était magnifique peut être? Non, mais la magie faisait qu'une grande équipe gagne avec ou sans jeu.

Donc oui avec le jeu que nous avons, je crois en ces 15 points, et facilement, car si y a une équipe peut le faire, c'est United. Dans une situation pareille, les résultats priment avec le jeu, c'est quelque chose de basique à savoir.

Je dis peut être des bêtises, mais en 99, on avait du beau jeu. Du moins, sur les matchs que j'avais vu.

| amShot  -  aujourd’hui à 17:31
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| "Le jeu que vous avez" Dis moi, tu connais quoi de United? Car lorsque tu parles de jeu, celui que nous avions avec Fergie était magnifique peut être? Non, mais la magie faisait qu'une grande équipe gagne avec ou sans jeu.
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| Donc oui avec le jeu que nous avons, je crois en ces 15 points, et facilement, car si y a une équipe peut le faire, c'est United. Dans une situation pareille, les résultats priment avec le jeu, c'est quelque chose de basique à savoir.

Non mais tes serieux a m'agressé je suis désoler mais en 2006-2007 vous jouiez bien en 2011 aussi ca allait meme SAF s'en fout des titres il veut du jeu et du vrai

SAK*

"vous jouiez bien en 2011"

"meme SAF s'en fout des titres il veut du jeu et du vrai "

Je suis pas d'accord.

| VidicNemanja  -  aujourd’hui à 18:33
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| "vous jouiez bien en 2011"
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En quoi tu n'est pas d'accord ?

En 2011 on jouit mal, si me souvient bien on attendait les coups de génie de Nani, Rooney, Valencia, etc...

Et concernant SAF, avant qu'il parte ça faisait un moment qu'on jouait mal, et pourtant on ne voyait pas beaucoup de changement tant que les résultats étaient au rendez-vous.

jouait*

Ça jouait pas si mal que ça en 2010/11. La première moitié de saison avec Berba était pas mal même si on a démarré difficilement avec le problème Rooney et à la fin le milieu Park-Giggs-Carrick-Valencia était pas dégueulasse.

Concernant Sir Alex, son principal objectif c'est de gagner pas de faire du jeu. C'est un compétiteur avant tout sauf en finale de CL.

"But what I am? I am a winnter."

SAK

SAF*

ps: Daily Star un échange entre Kagawa et un autre joueur de Dortmund, j'y crois moyennement.

Winner* triple poste, double fail. ^^'

SAF est un hiver

Interview et étude du style Sir Alex par un prof de Harvard si vous l'avez pas vu.

1. Start with the Foundation

Upon his arrival at Manchester, in 1986, Ferguson set about creating a structure for the long term by modernizing United’s youth program. He established two “centers of excellence” for promising players as young as nine and recruited a number of scouts, urging them to bring him the top young talent. The best-known of his early signings was David Beckham. The most important was probably Ryan Giggs, whom Ferguson noticed as a skinny 13-year-old in 1986 and who went on to become the most decorated British footballer of all time. At 39, Giggs is still a United regular. The longtime stars Paul Scholes and Gary Neville were also among Ferguson’s early youth program investments. Together with Giggs and Beckham, they formed the core of the great United teams of the late 1990s and early 2000s, which Ferguson credits with shaping the club’s modern identity.

It was a big bet on young talent, and at a time when the prevailing wisdom was, as one respected television commentator put it, “You can’t win anything with kids.” Ferguson approached the process systematically. He talks about the difference between building a team, which is what most managers concentrate on, and building a club.

Sir Alex Ferguson: From the moment I got to Manchester United, I thought of only one thing: building a football club. I wanted to build right from the bottom. That was in order to create fluency and a continuity of supply to the first team. With this approach, the players all grow up together, producing a bond that, in turn, creates a spirit.

When I arrived, only one player on the first team was under 24. Can you imagine that, for a club like Manchester United? I knew that a focus on youth would fit the club’s history, and my earlier coaching experience told me that winning with young players could be done and that I was good at working with them. So I had the confidence and conviction that if United was going to mean anything again, rebuilding the youth structure was crucial. You could say it was brave, but fortune favors the brave.

The first thought of 99% of newly appointed managers is to make sure they win—to survive. So they bring experienced players in. That’s simply because we’re in a results-driven industry. At some clubs, you need only to lose three games in a row, and you’re fired. In today’s football world, with a new breed of directors and owners, I am not sure any club would have the patience to wait for a manager to build a team over a four-year period.

Winning a game is only a short-term gain—you can lose the next game. Building a club brings stability and consistency. You don’t ever want to take your eyes off the first team, but our youth development efforts ended up leading to our many successes in the 1990s and early 2000s. The young players really became the spirit of the club.

I always take great pride in seeing younger players develop. The job of a manager, like that of a teacher, is to inspire people to be better. Give them better technical skills, make them winners, make them better people, and they can go anywhere in life. When you give young people a chance, you not only create a longer life span for the team, you also create loyalty. They will always remember that you were the manager who gave them their first opportunity. Once they know you are batting for them, they will accept your way. You’re really fostering a sense of family. If you give young people your attention and an opportunity to succeed, it is amazing how much they will surprise you.

2. Dare to Rebuild Your Team

Even in times of great success, Ferguson worked to rebuild his team. He is credited with assembling five distinct league-winning squads during his time at the club and continuing to win trophies all the while. His decisions were driven by a keen sense of where his team stood in the cycle of rebuilding and by a similarly keen sense of players’ life cycles—how much value the players were bringing to the team at any point in time. Managing the talent development process inevitably involved cutting players, including loyal veterans to whom Ferguson had a personal attachment. “He’s never really looking at this moment, he’s always looking into the future,” Ryan Giggs told us. “Knowing what needs strengthening and what needs refreshing—he’s got that knack.”

Our analysis of a decade’s worth of player transfer data revealed Ferguson to be a uniquely effective “portfolio manager” of talent. He is strategic, rational, and systematic. In the past decade, during which Manchester United won the English league five times, the club spent less on incoming transfers than its rivals Chelsea, Manchester City, and Liverpool did. One reason was a continued commitment to young players: Those under 25 constituted a far higher share of United’s incoming transfers than of its competitors’. And because United was willing to sell players who still had good years ahead of them, it made more money from outgoing transfers than most of its rivals did—so the betting on promising talent could continue. Many of those bets were made on very young players on the cusp of superstardom. (Ferguson did occasionally shell out top money for established superstars, such as the Dutch striker Robin van Persie, bought for $35 million at the start of the 2012–2013 season, when he was 29.) Young players were given the time and conditions to succeed, most older players were sold to other teams while they were still valuable properties, and a few top veterans were kept around to lend continuity and carry the culture of the club forward.

Ferguson: We identified three levels of players: those 30 and older, those roughly 23 to 30, and the younger ones coming in. The idea was that the younger players were developing and would meet the standards that the older ones had set. Although I was always trying to disprove it, I believe that the cycle of a successful team lasts maybe four years, and then some change is needed. So we tried to visualize the team three or four years ahead and make decisions accordingly. Because I was at United for such a long time, I could afford to plan ahead—no one expected me to go anywhere. I was very fortunate in that respect.

The goal was to evolve gradually, moving older players out and younger players in. It was mainly about two things: First, who did we have coming through and where did we see them in three years’ time, and second, were there signs that existing players were getting older? Some players can go on for a long time, like Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, and Rio Ferdinand, but age matters. The hardest thing is to let go of a player who has been a great guy—but all the evidence is on the field. If you see the change, the deterioration, you have to ask yourself what things are going to be like two years ahead.